Students would get career warning under higher ed reform bill

/ Thursday, February 9, 2012

TALLAHASSEE

Warning students that their career choices may not lead to financial riches could become a regular part of school counseling — starting in the sixth grade and continuing through college enrollment — under a bill that advanced in the Florida Senate Thursday.

The legislation is an early glimpse into what could be a long debate on steering students away from fields such as psychology and anthropology and toward science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) degrees.

Gov. Rick Scott has made boosting STEM degrees a top priority. Sen. Don Gaetz, R-Niceville, is leading the charge in the Legislature with the bill mandating employment rates and salary data for various career fields be distributed to middle school and high school students, their parents and university students registering for classes.

Gaetz called his bill a “mild first step” in higher education reform that focuses on incentives for science and technology programs while not penalizing liberal arts fields, a concern many educators had with some of Scott’s higher education proposals.

The state would create an “Economic Security Report” to track employment data under Gaetz’s plan. Students would receive the report in “career-themed” courses starting in the sixth grade.

Incoming university students would get additional information on the 25 percent of degrees with the “highest full-time job placement and highest average annualized earnings,” along with the bottom 10 percent of degrees.

Gaetz’s bill also provides a variety of financial incentives for STEM programs, including extra per-student funding for high school and middle school students enrolled in industry certification classes and $15 million in “performance funding” to the five state universities that most excel in technology programs.

Universities are encouraged to devote more financial aid to STEM students and they must create a report tracking the number of students by program and degree who receive such aid.

The legislation requires the state Board of Education to create a statewide plan for STEM education at the secondary level, and universities are required to create a lengthy annual report detailing everything from the number of students enrolled in STEM fields to the number of start-up companies and private venture capital linked to universities.

Members of the Senate Higher Education Committee praised the legislation Thursday.

Sen. Steve Oelrich, R-Cross Creek, said he does not view the bill as an attack on the liberal arts.

“I have no problem with people going into the fine arts and all the different arts,” Oelrich said. “This is just maybe a piece of paper that says when you go into this that very few people are going to make a gazillion dollars.”

Sen. Thad Altman, R-Vierra, supported the legislation but noted that boosting STEM graduates needs to be coupled with stronger efforts to recruit science and technology companies.

“We do need more inducements for STEM but let’s not fool ourselves,” Altman said, adding the degrees won’t do much good “if we don’t have jobs for them.”

Gaetz said his plan better links higher education “to the realities of the economy for young people” and noted that no university officials are opposing the bill.

Yet only two people stood in favor of the bill Thursday — lobbyists for the Florida Chamber of Commerce and University of West Florida — even though representatives from nearly every Florida university were in the audience.

Many university officials raised concerns when Scott first began talking about higher education reform last year because his proposals seemed to help some degree programs at the expense of others.

But Gaetz is set to become Senate president next year and university officials are treading lightly. No companion legislation on higher education reform has been introduced in the House, but Gaetz said he hopes to convince House leaders to take up the Senate bill.

Citing figures predicting 60 percent of new jobs in Florida will require science and technology education, Gaetz said “we need to tell the truth to families and to students and provide them with opportunities to get more relevant degrees relevant to the economy.”

“Now if they choose to get a degree in political science or psychology or poetry that’s fine, but we ought to tell them the truth about their chances of getting a job,” Gaetz said.

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Jan
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 8:28 am

In other words, we are now going to ask teachers to take more time away from the regular curriculum (those academics you want to reinforce at the college level), urge students to become scientists that do not have the ability or interests in the STEM areas…in other words…become anything but teachers. That is very short sighted since eventually there won’t be graduates trained in the other fields or basic trades that are vital to keep things going smoothly (such as electricity, plumbing, masonry,law enforcement, etc.) most of us take for granted these days. There is rarely mention anymore of students who are not cut out for college but will need post-secondary training. Florida would be better served if our legislators looked at the education system overall and strengthened it at the elementary (basic skills), and secondary (critical thinking and applied knowledge)levels, then focused in on employability and all post-secondary levels. In the meantime, it makes sense to have students counseled at the college level and enrolled in those more philosophical areas that they will need to add a minor or major by the junior year that will lead to a profession and a real job.

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Tom R
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 9:10 am

All of those Legislators with small “r’s” next to their names seem to think it is all about the money! It is not – it is about job satisfaction and the knowledge that you are successful when you are happy and doing good work that is important to society!

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Larry Dorman
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 10:04 am

Thirty years ago students were taught to be plumbers, electricians, carpenters, mechanics etc. The drop out level was much less than today, with our influence on Math and Science. Requiring all students to take four classes in Math is foolish and it will push out more students to hit the bricks without a high school diploma. Vocational Education is almost gone in our schools and we will suffer from lack of competent everyday workers. The majority of jobs do not require higher math and science. After years of huge drop out rates we will discover the wheel again and it will be called Voactional Education. 10 kids go to ist grade. 8 of these kids graduate from high school. 6 of these high school graduates go to college. 2 of these college kids graduate. The majority of our high school curriculum is geared for these 2 students that graduate from colleg…foolish!!!!

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yed
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm

Get rid of toss liberal arts majors, they watch Pbs and read.BOOKS!

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Ed Martin
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm

Hey Zack, you might be running a Medicare scam today, making lots of money, or being Governor instead of a struggling reporter. C’est la vie.

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Mussolini
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Can you imagine that the government wants to now tell us what profession we need to pursue!
Benito would be very proud.

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John MacKay
Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 7:54 am

How can anyone presume to know what jobs wil exist in the future, much less politicians. The turnover in technology is going to make many jobs and skills obsolete in the near future and no one can predict what will replace them. This is very Big Brother like. Get politicians out of the classroom!

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ted
Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 11:09 am

I,ll bet those occupy wall st. People were liberal arts majors! Demanding fairness, equality, liberty, what a bunch of trouble makers!they should of studied finance!

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Louis Levitt
Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 11:55 am

These are people who don’t understand how important the arts industry is for our economy… There would be no billion dollar apple company, no iPod, no iTunes without music and musicians that create it.

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Emil de Cou
Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm

How ironic that he wants teachers, who are desperately needed around the states of Florida and around the country, to only encourage young people into careers that will make them a “gazillion dollars” – which would of course exclude the sadly underpaid profession of teaching. Sounds like Sen. Don Gaetz should have spent more time in school – it’s not too late you know I am sure there are night classes in Niceville he could attend.

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Joe Martino
Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 2:51 pm

A backward-thinking idea if there ever was one.

More than anything, what college teaches you is HOW to think. How to create, how to reason, how to problem-solve, how to fix. Relative few majors….of a technical variety for the most part….actually provide the necessary skills to step right into a new job with high proficiency.

Here’s the way I think of it. College is like going to the gym….but in a mental version. As long as you do the work, and, mix up your routine….you’ll come out a better person. Which machines you choose to use in the gym, or, what major you select in college….should be the choice of the person doing the work.

Again…a very bad, backwards idea. Whoever thought of this,and, was willing to foist it on the public can’t be very smart.

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morejobsplease
Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Another supply-side idea.

The best way to get more kids in Florida going into STEM fields, you have to show them the jobs. Empty jobs will bring in more students willing to take those majors. Otherwise, they enter the crapshoot of the job market.

If you flood the market with STEM majors, you’ll just have a ton of unemployed folks.

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JEN
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 9:23 am

Since when did “what do you want to be when you grow up” turn into “what type of scientist do you want to be when you grow up?” Last time I checked, 6th graders (and even beyond) didn’t care how much money they’ll make – they cared how much they’ll LOVE their future career! Money can’t buy anyone happiness, especially if one doesn’t like the career they were persuaded into pursuing.

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Brian
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm

The job market has changed every decade and what is strong now may not be in ten years. The direction Scott and the narrow-minded Republicans are taking this state is scary. The very things which help build a more robust economy is the very institutions this idiot for governor is destroying. I will not vote for anyone nationally or in this state which is following this logic.

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mark
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm

When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.

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mark
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 7:08 am

Thanks 1% for not paying your fair share and getting even more tax breaks for doing business out of country and under foreign flags..Thanks Republicans for the state of the Economy and yes we will take our tax dollars and put it back into Florida as long as Rick Scott doesn’t turn it down like high speed rail money. Yes big banks and big business we the middle class have paid you just like welfare should while you have cut all the important things that made this country once upon a time great.Including owning a home at great expense- We have no mental institutions left so those people go to prisons now.We have very little safety nets for the poor so they also lose out and go to jail and prison.We have no jobs for graduating college kids and we have limited jobs for the remaining middle class…the middle class that is paying off the debt created by the 1% and founded by republicans…America the home of the rich and shameless