Social Security largely missing from Florida primary debate

/ Saturday, January 28, 2012

MIAMI

Speaking to a group of college Republicans last week, Newt Gingrich mentioned a subject that seems to be off-limits in the Republican presidential primary in Florida: Social Security.

“Chile has had the most advanced Social Security program in the world,” the former U.S. House speaker said during a forum on Latin American issues at Florida International University. “For over 30 years, Chileans have been allowed to put their money into a savings account, not turn it over to politicians, but actually save it.”

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If elected, Gingrich said he would push a similar program for the U.S.

Republican leaders made Social Security a focal point during last year’s debate over the national debt. It gained gained considerable attention earlier in the GOP presidential primary campaign, as former contender Rick Perry defended his assertion that the program was a “Ponzi scheme.”

But it has disappeared from the rhetoric as frontrunners Gingrich and Mitt Romney head for the showdown in Florida Tuesday. Social Security wasn’t even mentioned in the two high-stakes debates this week in Tampa and Jacksonville.

Its absence from the discussion belies Social Security’s importance to everyday life in the state. Some 3.6 million Floridians rely upon the retirement and disability system, which provides some $45.5 billion in benefit payments each year in the state. Although the median annual benefit for a retired worker is only $13,700, it lifts some 1.5 million Floridians out of poverty.

But Social Security is also a troubled system, with the program paying out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes. By about 2037, congressional budget experts project the program will have exhausted its trust funds — essentially making it bankrupt.

None of the candidates are talking about changing the program for retirees already drawing their Social Security checks or for those workers close to entering the system.

But Social Security’s financial future is a growing concern for Florida’s younger workers.

“Social Security is an issue that generationally is much more interesting almost to younger voters than it is to older voters,” said Susan MacManus, a political scientist from the University of South Florida who has written extensively on generational politics.

She said the GOP candidates “missed the opportunity” to address the issue in their two Florida debates, which occurred on college campuses.

But the issue will be front and center in the fall when the Republican nominee will have to go against President Barack Obama. The Democrats are already trying to position their party as the “protector” of Social Security while portraying Republican plans to change the system as risky schemes.

Yet, Obama himself has raised the possibility of changing the system. During deficit reduction talks in the summer, Obama advanced the idea of limiting the Social Security inflation index, but he pulled the issue from the discussions when he and Republican congressional leaders clashed in the debt talks.

Although not all the Republican candidates have offered detailed plans on Social Security, they are in agreement that workers should be able to invest some or all of their payroll taxes into “private” retirement accounts.

“Individual retirement accounts offer a fourth option (to fix Social Security), one that would allow today’s wage earners to direct a portion of their Social Security tax to a private account rather than go entirely to pay the benefits of current retirees,” Romney wrote in his 2010 book “No Apology: The Case for American Greatness.”

Romney has also called for gradually raising the Social Security retirement age “to keep pace with increases in longevity,” although he has not provided any specifics, according to an analysis by the AARP.

Social Security is already increasing the retirement age from its original 65 to 67.

Rick Santorum, who also supports letting younger worker invest in private accounts, advocated for a retirement age of 70 when he first ran for the U.S. Senate in 1994.

Ron Paul has called Social Security one of the country’s “unconstitutional” entitlement programs. He said the system should be abolished, although he said it would be done gradually. He has supported legislation for individual retirement accounts.

President George W. Bush pushed individual retirement accounts after his re-election in 2004, only to run into a firestorm of opposition, forcing him to drop the plan.

Gingrich has said his plan, based on the Chile model, is different because it also provides “a safety net.” If the workers’ investments fail to provide the same amount they would have earned under the old program, the government would make up the difference.

He said the Chile program has been so successful that “in 30 years, they have written zero checks,” and that the system “has produced two to three times the return per person that a traditional government-dominated, bureaucratic-managed system does.

“This is not a theory; this is a fact,” he said, noting that he has consulted with Jose Pinera, Chile’s former labor secretary who developed the program in 1981.

Critics say many of the changes advanced by the Republican candidates will endanger the Social Security system.

Letting workers invest in private accounts exchanges Social Security’s “guaranteed benefits with a risky Wall Street gamble,” according to a critique from a coalition of labor groups, teachers, government workers and consumer advocates called “Strengthen Social Security.”

“Privatizing Social Security would place all risk on the individual, subjecting benefits to the risks of the stock market,” the group said. “By diverting funds away from Social Security and into private accounts, the proposal undercuts the future financing of the program, effectively ending Social Security as we know it.”

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joe
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 10:28 pm

We pay social security all our working lives, these politicians spend it on wars amount other things, now these republicans want us to put it in the stock market where they can manipulate the market, I say no more stealing from hard working Americans. Sorry I see a guy who goes out and busts his ace all his life that can’t retire. No mitt and mr speaker, the housing crisis was bad enough. We need regulators to babysit the theives that are e
ected to our congress, and we sure don’t want you as president. Maybe when these people loose their seats they will know the party is over once and for all

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Robert Cogan
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 11:22 pm

Fear mongering conservatives want us to distrust SS and the government in general. But the private alternative – 401k’s – are a much worse disaster (see Wall Street Journal article http://tinyurl.com/8xtujxa ) In 11 prior years the Treasury has received less revenue than expenses and paid every cent owed to recipients: http://www.ssa.gov/history/tftable.html Only the Republicans refusal to raise the debt ceiling threatens Social Security.

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Marybelle
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 2:52 am

My husband and I live on my Railroad Retirement and his Social Security. You can do it if you budget carefully. I had the experience by working for the Railroad for over 25 years in the Accounting Dept. and learned the basics of general accounting, tax accounting, etc. I can balance my check book to the penny every month and believe Congress flunked Basic Math 101 while in school. To privatize Social Security would be a huge mistake. We worked hard all our working lives and we depend on the monthly gov’t program. To be honest, it is still not enough to keep up with the rising cost of living. Food and gas prices keep rising and Congress does not care. Let them not be voted in for another term, live like the rest of the american people and see how it is. They have it too good.

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Jessica D.
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 7:46 am

“Ron Paul has called Social Security one of the country’s “unconstitutional” entitlement programs. He said the system should be abolished, although he said it would be done gradually. He has supported legislation for individual retirement accounts.”

I love how you leave out the fact that Ron Paul will use monies from removing troops over seas to shore up Social Security and Medicare. (sarcasm)

He is the only candidate with a plan to protect these safety nets for seniors, give younger workers an opt-out of the system, and have the federal government live within our means. Instead you start off the article with, he thinks it’s “unconstitutional” and wants it “abolished”, like he has no other plan for it.

Retirement savings has become such a joke in part to Social Security. Your employer is mandated to pay the government for it, as are you out of your paycheck. Your paycheck is basically deducted twice. What kind of incentive does that give your employer to offer you a competitive pension/retirement account? They have removed a lot of competition out of the market, as they have done in education for example and now healthcare. When the government plays in the free market, we all lose.

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leberk
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 8:59 am

Newt Gingrich has the right ideas to help the country get back on it’s feet.

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Susan Marie
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 10:47 am

Social Security is unsustainable in just one scenario – single income households where one spouse works but 2 spouses receive benefits. Conservatives are referring to this model when they claim SS cannot continue. But that lifestyle is a trait exclusive to the current beneficiaries. Future beneficaries are going in with each person paying into the system for 40+ years.
There is no need to put the SS money in the volitile open market. We just need to demand that SS funds are not part of the general fund.

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ted
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 10:47 am

ss keeps millions out of poverty! stop trying to pay for wars by cutting ss!

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HOHN
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm

The united states of america owes the social security fund 4.5 TRillion dollars.Bushies wars raided the funds badly.The gop is out to destroy seniors,and the middle class.They also want o end all student aid.There really is no choice in this election,an offshore tax cheater, or a n american!!1

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Marybelle
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 2:32 pm

I am a senior living in FL and sure wish the candidates would visit our area and just see how we live. In the grocery stores, watching people looking at food prices, put the items in their baskets, look at their check books, and put the items back on the shelf. This is a disgrace that we live in one of the greatest countries in the world. Homeless camps have been demolished and where the homeless go then, who knows!! FL is not an industrial state for the younger people to look for a job, it is mostly all retirees that have lived here for years. When we arrived here in FL, it was the good life, not anymore. All I can say the FL legislature along with Washington are a bunch of crooks. One county is worse than the other.

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Richard McNulty
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 3:50 pm

I can see the handwriting on the wall. If either Newt or Mitt get elected you can kiss Social Security goodbye. Don’t say you didn’t know because they have fed you no absolute answers. Newt is already promised to privatize SS which will make Wall Street very happy. Mitt’s 1% don’t need it and would like to dump it all together.

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Kenzi
Monday, January 30, 2012 at 10:05 am

Wow…how about working some facts into this opinion piece.

You say, “By about 2037, congressional budget experts project the program will have exhausted its trust funds — essentially making it bankrupt.” Essentially bankrupt…is that like kinda pregnant?

According to the SS Trustees (CBO’s projections are even more optimistic) Social Security will pay 77% of benefits when the trust fund is exhausted. By what definition is that bankrupt? Billions in payroll contributions from American workers will also still be flowing into Social Security that year…unless of course privatization fanatics divert those funds to Wall Street. You can’t be bankrupt if there are funds still flowing and benefits still being paid. Let’s talk about the real issue…how to close a 23% gap (like by raising the cap)…not fake GOP scare rhetoric.

You do your readers a huge disservice with sloppy reporting that parrots GOP talking points rather than sticking to the true issues which should be addressed.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm

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Jim
Monday, January 30, 2012 at 7:36 pm

What idiots these Republicans are. Social Security is not a retirement program, it is a SOCIAL program. The object is that those who are working pay TAXES so that the elderly will leave the job market and free up jobs for younger workers, rather than work for peanuts just to buy food and pay their electric bill. Social Security is what makes this country greater than all other countries!!

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Carly EngageAmerica
Tuesday, January 31, 2012 at 10:16 am

Social Security ran a cash flow deficit of $49 billion in 2010, and the 2011 trustees report indicates such deficits will be the norm by 2017. The report also reveals that Social Security’s unfunded obligation stands at $9.1 trillion, in net-present-value terms; in other words, it owes $9.1 trillion more in benefits than it will take in through taxes. The program will experience further financial strain as the worker-to-retiree ratio keeps falling. Medicare faces a 75-year unfunded obligation of $34.8 trillion, in net-present-value terms, and must be reformed if we want to ensure that younger generations have quality health care when they retire.