Extremist groups support Ron Paul, raising questions about his tolerance of them

/ Monday, December 26, 2011

The American Free Press, which markets books like “The Invention of the Jewish People” and “March of the Titans: A History of the White Race,” is urging its subscribers to help it send hundreds of copies of Ron Paul’s collected speeches to voters in New Hampshire. The book, it promises, will “Help Dr. Ron Paul Win the G.O.P.Nomination in 2012!”

Don Black, director of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront, said in an interview that several dozen of his members were volunteering for Mr. Paul’s presidential campaign, and a site forum titled “Why is Ron Paul such a favorite here?” has no fewer than 24 pages of comments. “I understand he wins many fans because his monetary policy would hurt Jews,” read one.

Far-right groups like the Militia of Montana say they are rooting for Mr. Paul as a stalwart against government tyranny.

Mr. Paul’s surprising surge in polls is creating excitement within a part of his political base that has been behind him for decades but overshadowed by his newer fans on college campuses and in some liberal precincts who are taken with his antiwar, anti-drug-laws messages.

The white supremacists, survivalists and anti-Zionists who have rallied behind his candidacy have not exactly been warmly welcomed. “I wouldn’t be happy with that,” Mr. Paul said in an interview Friday when asked about getting help from volunteers with anti-Jewish or antiblack views.

But he did not disavow their support. “If they want to endorse me, they’re endorsing what I do or say — it has nothing to do with endorsing what they say,” said Mr. Paul, who is now running strong in Iowa for the Republican nomination.

The libertarian movement in American politics has long had two overlapping but distinct strains. One, backed to some degree by wealthy interests, is focused largely on economic freedom and dedicated to reducing taxes and regulation through smaller government. The other is more focused on personal liberty and constraints on government built into the Constitution, which at its extreme has helped fuel militant antigovernment sentiment.

Mr. Paul has operated at the nexus of the two, often espousing positions at odds with most of the Republican Party but assembling a diverse and loyal following attracted by his adherence to libertarian principles.

Mr. Paul’s calls for the end of the Federal Reserve system, a cessation of aid to Israel and all other nations and an overall diminishment of government power have natural appeal among far-right, niche political groups. Aides say that much of the support is unsolicited and that it is unfair to overlook the larger number of mainstream voters now backing him.

But a look at the trajectory of Mr. Paul’s career shows that he and his closest political allies either wittingly or unwittingly courted disaffected white voters with extreme views as they sought to forge a movement from the nether region of American politics, where the far right and the far left sometimes converge.

In May, Mr. Paul reiterated in an interview with Chris Matthews of MSNBC that he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawing segregation. He said that he supported its intent, but that parts of it violated his longstanding belief that government should not dictate how property owners behave. He has been featured in videos of the John Birch Society, which campaigned against the Civil Rights Act, warning, for instance, that the United Nations threatens American sovereignty.

In the mid-1990s, between his two stints as a Texas congressman, Mr. Paul produced a newsletter called The Ron Paul Survival Report, which only months before the Oklahoma City bombings encouraged militias to seek out and expel federal agents in their midst. That edition was titled “Why Militias Scare the Striped Pants Off Big Government.”

An earlier edition of another newsletter he produced, The Ron Paul Political Report, concluded that the need for citizens to arm themselves was only natural, given carjackings by “urban youth who play whites like pianos.” The report, with no byline but written in the first person, said: “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self-defense. For the animals are coming.”

Mike Holmes, former editor of The American Libertarian, who has known Mr. Paul from libertarian circles since the 1970s, contended that the newsletters did not “rise to the level of hate speech.” He added: “It goes more to the level of social commentary. There was no use of any ‘N’-words. It amounted to the style of foul-mouthed punks trying to get inside the gang of paleoconservatives.”

Those newsletters have drawn new scrutiny through Mr. Paul’s two recent presidential campaigns. The New Republic posted several of them online in 2008 and again recently, including a lament about “The Disappearing White Majority.” The conservative Weekly Standard ran an article highlighting the newsletters last week.

Mr. Paul has long repudiated the newsletters, contending that they were written by the staff of his company, Ron Paul & Associates, while he was tending to his obstetrician’s practice and that he did not see some of them until 10 years later. “I disavow those positions,” he said in the interview. “They’re not my positions, and anybody who knows me, they’ve never heard a word of it.”

But production of the newsletters was partly overseen by Lew Rockwell, a libertarian activist who has been a close political aide and adviser to Mr. Paul over the course of decades. At the same time that he was a director for Mr. Paul’s company, Mr. Rockwell called on libertarians to reach out to “cultural and moral traditionalists,” who “reject not only affirmative action, set-asides and quotas, but the 1964 Civil Rights Act and all subsequent laws that force property owners to act against their will.”

Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Paul came to know each other as followers of the free-market Austrian economists Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich A. Hayek, who argued against socialism and centralized economic planning, a spokesman for Mr. Paul said. They joined with the libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard in the 1970s and 1980s during the early attempts to forge libertarianism into a national party.

Mr. Rockwell was listed in business filings as a director of Ron Paul & Associates from its founding in 1984 through its dissolution in 2001, and was a paid Paul campaign consultant through at least 2002, according to federal campaign records. He was Mr. Paul’s chief of staff during the congressman’s first period in Congress, which began in the 1970s, and championed his successful bid in 1988 for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination.

During that nominating battle, a flier produced by Mr. Paul’s opponents accused him of gay-baiting by reporting in one of his newsletters that the government was “lying” about the threat of AIDS and that the virus could be transmitted through “saliva, tears, sweat.” It said that some “AIDS carriers — perhaps out of a pathological hatred — continue to give blood.”

Mr. Paul said Friday “that was never my view at all,” and again blamed his staff. Still, that same year he was quoted in The Houston Post as saying that schools should be free to bar children with AIDS and that the government should stop financing AIDS research and education.

As the Libertarian standard bearer, Mr. Paul won less than 1 percent of the vote. After the election, as libertarians searched for ways to broaden the appeal of their ideology, Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard advocated a coalition of libertarians and so-called paleoconservatives, who unlike hawkish “neocons” were socially conservative, noninterventionist and opposed to what they viewed as state-enforced multiculturalism.

In the Rothbard-Rockwell Report they started in 1990, Mr. Rothbard called for a “Right Wing Populism,” suggesting that the campaign for governor of Louisiana by David Duke, the founder of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, was a model for “paleolibertarianism.”

“It is fascinating that there was nothing in Duke’s current program or campaign that could not also be embraced by paleoconservatives or paleolibertarians,” he wrote.

Arguing that too many libertarians were embracing a misplaced egalitarianism, Mr. Rockwell wrote in Liberty magazine: “There is nothing wrong with blacks preferring the ‘black thing.’ But paleolibertarians would say the same about whites preferring the ‘white thing’ or Asians the ‘Asian thing.’ ”

Their thinking was hardly embraced by all libertarians. “It was just something that we found abhorrent, and so there was a huge divide,” said Edward H. Crane, the founder of the Cato Institute, a prominent libertarian research center.

Mr. Crane, a longtime critic of Mr. Rockwell, called Mr. Paul’s close association with him “one of the more perplexing things I’ve ever come across in my 67 years.” He added: “I wish Ron would condemn these fringe things that float around because of Rockwell. I don’t believe he believes any of that stuff.”

Mr. Paul said in the interview that he did not, but he declined to condemn Mr. Rockwell, saying he did not want to get in the middle of a fight. “I could understand that, but I could also understand the Rothbard group saying, Why don’t you quit talking to Cato?” he said.

Mr. Paul described Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard as political provocateurs. “They enjoyed antagonizing people, to tell you the truth, and trying to split people,” he said. “I thought, we’re so small, why shouldn’t we be talking to everybody and bringing people together?”

Nonetheless, Mr. Paul’s newsletters veered into language that would most likely appeal to Mr. Duke’s followers, including the suggestion in 1994 that Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

He said he did not discuss the content of the newsletters with Mr. Rockwell because readers never complained. “I was pretty careless about what was going in my own newsletter — that was my biggest fault,” he said.

Mr. Rockwell did not respond to interview requests. Carol Moore, a libertarian opponent of his at the time, said he and his allies had “all evolved” and moderated their views since.

Still, the newsletters had a lasting appeal with the audience Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard talked about reaching.

Mr. Black of Stormfront said the newsletters helped make him a Ron Paul supporter. “That was a big part of his constituency, the paleoconservatives who think there are race problems in this country,” Mr. Black said.

“We understand that Paul is not a white nationalist, but most of our people support him because of his stand on issues,” Mr. Black said. “We think our race is being threatened through a form of genocide by assimilation, meaning the allowing in of third-world immigrants into the United States.”

Mr. Black said Mr. Paul was attractive because of his “aggressive position on securing our borders,” his criticism of affirmative action and his goal of eliminating the Federal Reserve, which the Stormfront board considers to be essentially a private bank with no government oversight. “Also, our board recognizes that most of the leaders involved in the Fed and the international banking system are Jews.”

Mr. Paul is not unaware of that strain among his supporters. Mr. Crane of the Cato Institute recalled comparing notes with Mr. Paul in the early 1980s about direct mail solicitations for money. When Mr. Crane said that mailing lists of people with the most extreme views seemed to draw the best response, Mr. Paul responded that he found the same thing with a list of subscribers to the Spotlight, a now-defunct publication founded by the holocaust denier Willis A. Carto.

Mr. Paul said he did not recall that conversation, which was first reported in the libertarian publication Reason, and doubted that he would have known what lists were being used on his behalf. Yet he said he would not have a problem seeking support from such a list.

“I’ll go to anybody who I think I can convert to change their viewpoints — so that would be to me incidental,” he said. “I’m always looking at converting people to look at liberty the way I do.”

Kitty Bennett and Jack Begg contributed research.

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Sadaboutbadjournalism
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 9:46 am

And let the Ron Paul smear campaign begin, and who cares if journalists lie?

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John
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 9:47 am

False

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Sadaboutbadjournalism
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 9:54 am

HAHA, two strains of libertarian..HAHA, who makes this stuff up? Ron Paul is both, right? Ok I know, let’s make Ron Paul seem like a recist through a bunch of disconnected associations (that ought to convice the partially ignorant).

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Dan Blecher
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 9:58 am

This article is complete propaganda and NO ONE should take ANYTHING written in it seriously. It’s another example of political assassination through the media.
Shame on the authors and any company that supports them!

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Phil A
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:03 am

Ron Paul’s main message is to reverse and delete the empire building of the US. We are not the world’s policemen. We have troops throughout the entire world, with Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize while fighting three wars – absolutely absurd. Yes,..he would pull back the troops from all around the world as soon as the boats could bring them home. Let him do it,.. do not smear the doctor with anti – anything comments from years ago by supporters. If you are against him, at least argue against his main position of anti-war and anti-big government. Now that the bombing has immediately resummed in Iraq, shouldn’t that be the main point of descussion. All the other candidates, including Obama, believe the US is the world’s policeman. The Mormon faith teaches to lead the world, and Romney has stated he wants to EXPAND the military role of Obama. Gingrich states that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon, which means a big war. Vote for Ron Paul, or don’t complain about the future wars and US financial stress!

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Edward
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:04 am

To be fair I think maybe you shoudl do some digging on the extremism under the other candidates as well. Can we please see the following headlines; because you know nutjobs and extremists support all of them?

Extremist groups support New Gingrich, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Rick Santorum, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Mitt Romney, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Michele Bachman, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Rick Perry, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Barack Obama, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

I get tired of having to remind the media of their job.

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Edward
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:04 am

To be fair I think maybe you shoudl do some digging on the extremism under the other candidates as well. Can we please see the following headlines; because you know nutjobs and extremists support all of them?

Extremist groups support New Gingrich, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Rick Santorum, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Mitt Romney, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Michele Bachman, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Rick Perry, raising questions about her tolerance of them.

Extremist groups support Barack Obama, raising questions about his tolerance of them.

I get tired of having to remind the media of their job.

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Java
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:28 am

Let’s see, WE followed the Change Vote and have none left. We voted for BUSH and were left with an empty US Treasury given to Paulson and friends to distribute as they chose to HEDGE FUNDS who focused upon stealing retirement accounts and 401k plans rather than investing in American manufacturing and productivity. They saddled investments pretending to support the financial infrastructure when they were, in actuality, shorting it.

Now, CONGRESS has proven it doesn’t work, actually and functionally, as is, unless you understand their focus to give money away to receive kick-backs and commissions from recipients. The Judiciary, is owned by HEDGE FUNDS and cleans up after Congress using the Bankruptcy Courts to steal from Veterans and retirees: Aventine Renewable Energy, Anthracite Capital, etoys and WAMU, a track record of Judges, lawyers and US Trustees could fill an encyclopedia. It is corrupt, to sa the least.

FINALLY, our President has a supportive following who watch and contribute to his $Billion Treasure Chest while listing all he has done to rise above the thieves and liars in Congress and the Judiciary.

RON PAUL…willing to eliminate the salaries for life, STOP all Aid, GRANTS and Entiitlements and bring our soldiers, Ambassadors and Foreign diplomats to rebuild OUR Country while making the citizenry responsible for themselves…

I see why THE INSIDERS are afraid !

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Joe Mama
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:34 am

I also heard the extremists like Coke instead of Pepsi. I assume this means Coke must be devoting millions of dollars to lobbying congress to enact laws which target minorities and non-christian religions! Vote Pepsi!

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John Kelly
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:36 am

Main stream media has been ‘bought and sold’ once again…

This ‘piece’ is not only AMAZINGLY one sided, it is classic propaganda. Once again, media has chosen to either purposefully ignore Mr Paul (as during the debates when cameras would cut to commentary while he was speaking) – or lambast him. There was not a single positive comment about Mr Paul in this article and is a disgrace to true journalism and news reporting .

Mr Paul is the only long term politician who has not been corrupted by the system. ‘Groups’ of EVERY persuasion are finally recognizing that BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are one in the same. These groups, as well MANY others; are looking for men with true integrity (like Ron Paul) to stop the madness.

Articles like this one purposefully use fear mongering as a tool to short-circuit people’s thought process about considering anything other than the ‘Status Quo’ (which has been an abject failure).

John Kelly

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Thomas
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:36 am

Why disenfranchise “extremist groups”?

Should their vote be shunned? Should they be discriminated against?

Huh! Sounds like a familiar ingredient in the currently popular indictment against Dr. Paul.

While I might not endorse some of the views held by “extremist groups”, I’d prefer them with me – than against me.

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Joe Sixpack
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:41 am

Ron Paul is far from being a racist and if anyone does their own no biased research
will be able to see for themselves.
Here’s a start.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs-0AXWV8so

Ron Paul has been fighting for all Americans rights for over 20 years while nearly all politicians have been shredding the bill of rights.

Paul never voted for the bailout of banks at taxpayer expense, nor for unconstitutional undeclared wars.

On the surface this article does a good job of leaving the average reader to think Paul and people that support him as racists.The person who really is interested in picking someone who has been consistent in fighting for this country will know better.

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lu
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:43 am

ok if new gang of rich say “palestinians are in invented people then extremist jews are supporting new gang of rich” newt gingritch is jewish / economist production who took billions from fenni and freddi mac. Vote for Ron Paul. He is the only guy who is anti war and who is true american leader. donate money for him. Media is anti catholics and doin all propaganda against christians.

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Ral
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:43 am

Thanks for the article.

For info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues, please see http://​www.Libertarian-Internation​al.org , the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization

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Henry
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:55 am

I stopped reading this epic about half-way through…

Just one question, though… Anywhere in that mess above, did the author(s) mention how the NAACP’s Austin President, Nelson Linder, defends Ron Paul against these ridiculous racist claims?

It took me 2 seconds to find that information on Google, so either your researchers suck and should be fired, or you’re trying to smear Ron Paul…

Which is it?

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DannyK
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:56 am

Sorry Ron Paul apologists. He can try to lie about the Ron Paul Newsletter now, but out of his own mouth he is convicted of his racist publication:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_m-RhKBfb2g

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Joe
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm

This article sounds like it was written by Acmed, Jeff Dunhams puppet: “Are you scared now”?

The people who should be scared are all the piggies at the trough.

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USS Constitution
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm

Freedom is popular.

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Pisces
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Is Paul a racist? Jesse Jackson,Sharpton are racists

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Jeffrey Big
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Extremist groups support Ron Paul?
Like the Service Member in the Navy, Coast Guard, Army, Air Force.
Ron Paul 2012! Take back your country and Vote Ron Pal 2012!

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Jerry James
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 3:41 pm

Sorry DANNYK, Ron Paul is up in the polls. He is gaining support in spite (or because) of these attacks.

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Donald Meinshausen
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 3:51 pm

Ron Paul and libertarian groups get endorsed from all types of people all over the spectrum including Maoists, progressives and anarchists. The reason for this is the same reason they like the ACLU in that libertarians support the right of everyone to have free speech and assembly. As a founder of the libertarian movement I have never seen any discrimination or racism at any libertarian, Tea Party or Ron Paul events and I’ve seen many interracial couples, gays, atheists etc. I wish I could say the same of a lot of Left and Democratic events which openly endorse facist and racist policies

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Wayne Stevens
Monday, December 26, 2011 at 10:03 pm

I guess Ron Paul has wildly different backing. Many are in my view nuts.

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nice try
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 12:19 am

Interesting statistics from the youtube link provided by the commenter above

1. Ron Paul voted FOR MLK day, Newt Gingrich didn’t

2. Ron Paul was the ONLY one in Congress that didn’t condemn Israel when they stood up to Iran

3. Ron Paul gave FREE medical care and baby deliveries to minorities, which INCLUDES BLACKS, not racist

4. Ron Paul has stated over the past 40 years, Gays shouldn’t be told how they marry by the federal government, it’s a state issue

Good try Establishment, but we see through your lies, nowhere in here did he say he supported your accusations.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 7:02 am

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nader paul kucinich gravel mckinney baldwin ventura sheehan perot carter
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 8:42 am

Original Tea Party & Occupy movements are merging.
It is not extremist to ask questions about Building # 7
Learning from & teaching each other .
Agree on more issues than disagree

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Capt
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 8:50 am

It is really not “fringe” if many, if not most believe it. And in this country it should not make one cower to speak their mind. For decades now the schools have corrupted the minds of young people. It is going to take a lot of time to “uncorrupt”.

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Rich Angley
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 9:00 am

It’s funny how the same people who write so much about diversity really can’t stand it when a candidate like Ron Paul can actually bring so many diverse people together and actually threaten their power structure. This article tells me more about the writers and the aims of this media outlet than what Mr. Paul’s Constitutional views really could do for America. Perhaps the thought of returning freedom to this great, once very free land is something that the social and cultural Marxists really fear in Paul’s message.

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Dave Kesselring
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 9:05 am

When someone has such a large amount of support, it’s easy to pick a few or a small group and demagogue. Are you saying that over 23% of Iowa is an extremist group? Is one of the other posters saying that he is against survival. Ron Paul is pro-Constitution. That is why anyone that might be afraid of loosing their free speech rights would want him as president. The newspaper is not the place for journalists to campaign for or against their choice of candidates. This is an obvious hit piece on a candidate that absolutely terrifies the establishment. We the people are tired of your control that has stolen our prosperity and freedom.

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CommonCents
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 9:22 am

It’s Dr. Paul and all you need to do to like him is know that he follows the constitution. No one else in government does.

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Audrey
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 9:39 am

For years the mainstream media has ignored Dr. Ron Paul – shut him out completely from any press coverage and just dismissed him hoping he’d go away. Well, he hasn’t gone away and neither has his supporters. This smear is just the beginning of what we’ll see because the liberal news will stop at nothing to further their agenda. Most folks only know what they read in the paper. Based on this article one could easily conclude that Dr. Paul (he’s a retired M.D. so Dr. is the proper title NOT Mr.) is a right-wing nut and only appeals to right-wing nuts. I’ve personally met hundreds of people who support him and they are from all walks of life. They vary in color, age, education, religion and economic condition and come together for the idealistic principal this country was founded on – liberty. Don’t allow yourself to be manipulated into believing what they want you to believe.

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Libertyispopular
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 9:40 am

Congressman Paul is on the verge of upsetting the “we like the two party system” apple cart. This type of guilt by association journalism is not going to scare away his current or future supporters. It will only create more enthusiasm for the only candidate that has proven over 12 terms in the Congress, to be an honorable constitutionalist conservative.

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KittenJuggler
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 10:47 am

Mormons excluded blacks from their founding until 1978. Romney should disavow them.

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Jim Bob
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 11:28 am

This piece of hack journalism has convinced me to donate money to Ron Paul’s campaign. I am now convinced that only Ron Paul can save what is left of this once great country.

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JuneG
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 11:45 am

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you. And then you win” Gandi

Hang in there folks. We’re about to win!

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Susiejoe
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 11:48 am

Boy, Karl Rove is pumping the garbage smears against Ron Paul as fast as he can. Those neocon racists are running scared as heck that the PEOPLE are taking back the Republican Party! Vive La Revolution. Vote for the only honest man who can save this country from the mess the current politicians have created.

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Dan Rodriguez
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm

Dr. Ron Paul is the only candidate worth supporting. Why should anyone support the established politicians who continue changing their views.

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John
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Dr Ron Paul, shouldn’t even have to compete with those clowns. Just a sign of how bad things are with the mind manipulation of the people. They can’t see he’s been married the longest, worked hard to accomplish his goals and doesn’t have anything but good in his heart, with the experience to go with it. Nobody is as clean and honest as him. It’s a no brainer, but most peoples brains are not under there control, sadly! This is the obvious truth. Anybody who does REAL in depth research about our world history up to this point can see it easily, but laziness and induced unfounded fear has taken over the week minded.

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daniel
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 12:38 pm

Dannyk I watched that YouTube video where Ron Paul talks about the investment letters, and I fail to see your point, all he said is we put out a investment letter once a month? So ???????? Where does he say I hate blacks I hate gays or race wars? Did you watch it? I want to hear him say that out of his mouth?

Palestinians are an invented people- newt Gingrich
Race wars, blacks are dangerous ect – someone who worked for Ron Paul 20 years ago

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Mike McGuinty
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 2:28 pm

The New York Times & the Sarasota Herald-Tribune manipulate their website publications to present slanted viewpoints.

This sounds like an outrageous claim until you analyze it.

One of the ways you can keep track of what these publications print is to completely copy an article & all comments at various times in a day. You can then e-mail a copy to yourself to keep track of what these publications actually do. The article “Extremist groups support Ron Paul, raising questions about his tolerance of them” By The New York Times, Herald-Tribune
was published on the HT Politics page on 12/26/2011 at about 8:00 a.m.
http://htpolitics.com/2011/12/26/extremist-groups-support-ron-paul-raising-questions-about-his-tolerance-of-them/

About sixteen and a half hours later, at 12:30 a.m. Tuesday 12/27/2011, there were only 2 readers comments posted with the article. I followed my own method & have the copies of this time stamped & dated with screen shots & e-mails. Oh by the way, the content of both comments were anti Ron Paul.

Suddenly the Sarasota Herald-Tribune must have received a bunch of visitors, telephone calls, and or e-mails on 12/27/2011 because suddenly they printed an entirely different situation.

As of 10:30 a.m. Tuesday December 27, 2011 a miracle occurred! The comment section after this article now included 21 comments dated 12/26/2011 & 8 additional ones dated today 12/27/2011.

The story doesn’t end here…..

The Sarasota Herald-Tribune website published an additional article,
“Story about Ron Paul and extremist groups generates flurry of comments”
By Staff Report, Herald-Tribune Tuesday, December 27, 2011.
http://htpolitics.com/2011/12/27/story-about-ron-paul-and-extremist-groups-generates-flurry-of-comments/
In the body of this article they print 4 readers comments, two pro Ron Paul & 2 anti Ron Paul. This would lead the average reader to think the response was about 50-50 for & against Ron Paul. However the facts proved far different. There are actually 28 pro Ron Paul comments and 2 anti Ron Paul comments.

We’d all be interested in the facts. How many visitors, phone calls, e-mails or other forms of responses did the Herald-Tribune actually receive. In addition we’d appreciate a break down in the pro & con categories of these additional comments.

Since it appears you folks are in the process of selling your publication I think not only should the prospective buyers beware (caveat emptor) but your readers would also be well be advised to beware as to what the Sarasota-Herald-Tribune’s intent is by presenting a slanted viewpoint without revealing you are doing so.

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nightdesk
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 3:04 pm

Mike McGuinty,

My name is Alan Shaw; I’m a Web manager at the Herald-Tribune. I think I can explain the sudden appearance of comments.

All new comments on HT Politics must be approved by someone on our staff. Few people were working yesterday because of the Christmas holiday. So many reader comments would have been on hold. I know when I came in to work today there were more than 20 waiting approval, in addition to the ones already approved this morning by my colleagues.

I hope this helps, and thank you for your comments.

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John
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm

I think we ruled out the negative responses about DR RP. Looks like were done. Now lets win!

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Cody Ellsworth
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 5:23 pm

The truth will shine through. Ron Paul is the most logical Republican out of the circus of GOP contenders. He supports sustainable policies and understands trillions cannot be printed without destroying the dollar, and ultimately destroying our country. Our Keynesian leaders NEED The Federal Reserve because when they can’t tax we the people enough, they’re able to print their trillions, at our expense (inflation), to support the enormity of government and maintain the empire of over 900 bases in 130+ countries. We cannot do this much longer, people. His idea of cutting foreign aid from ALL countries is not “Anit-Israel” – It’s Pro-America and is one of the first matters we must handle if we want to save America from being drained to death.

-Cody Ellsworth

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Michelle Martin
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 5:50 pm

AFTER I was able to stop laughing I thought I would come here and post some of my thoughts for you.

This article is complete propaganda and NO ONE should take ANYTHING written in it seriously. False, Fail and Funny!

This is what fear looks like folks, nothing more, nothing less.

I am terribly disappointed at the one sided journalism that is running rampant in this country. This article, the latest smear attempt on Ron Paul, is very transparent…but considering the fear that is also running rampant in the corporate controlled media, I guess I am not surprised.

I am a supporter of Ron Paul and I am smart enough to know that the man does not control WHO supports him. Only a blathering idiot would think otherwise…how difficult would it be to actually smear someone else if THIS is how the public vetted it’s choices?

Ron Paul controls only the principles HE holds dear, which is Liberty and a restoration of this Republic to its former glory. Nothing extreme about defending the People and he has done just that for 30 years, against corrupt politicians and corrupt media outlets such as yours. He votes the Constitution EVERY TIME. He saw the economic crisis coming and warned of it, repeatedly. We listened, others did not. Well you are listening now, aren’t you!

You act as though we Americans cannot think for ourselves, well, I guess anyone who reads this and is deterred from looking into what Ron Paul stands for CAN’T think for themselves. For the rest of us, we are waking up and we don’t like what we see, we know something is terribly wrong in this country and we are going to fix it, hence all the support that Ron Paul gets. It isn’t a coincidence, it isn’t a fluke, it is an awakening and a realization that we have been dupped.

Have you forgotten the internet? And the alternate media sources where we can do our own research and draw our own conclusions based on ALL the facts?

Ron Paul has widespread support, MORE than any of the other candidates and more than the corrupt entities and politicians would like anyone to know. It seems the establishment politicians are worried. This article smacks of fear, fear of the end of the money reign and of keeping the American people down with only the chosen few benefiting from our poverty.

It will take more than your smear campaign to deter those seeking the truth from looking further.

I would offer you this: maybe your time would be better spent gathering some crow and figuring out what you are going to do when the vast majority of American people don’t trust your ‘truths’ anymore….and you are rendered useless!!

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Sean
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 6:24 pm

“which the Stormfront board considers to be essentially a private bank with no government oversight.”

The Federal Reserve is a private bank with no government oversight! So what is the problem!!

Keep the BS hit piece’s going, it’s not going to work!!

Ron Paul before the Fall!!!

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Pedro
Saturday, December 31, 2011 at 12:50 pm

GROUPER ALERT!

MSM = GROUPERS. Big Government = GROUPERS.

The title states “Extremist Groups Support Ron Paul,” yet the ADL and NAACP, the most extremist GROUPER organizations in the US, aren’t mentioned anywhere in your article as supporting him.

First they GROUPED Us. Then they Divided Us. Now they Control Us.

Ron Paul 2012! End the Grouping. Begin the Uniting. Take back Control!